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Who is Chet Skinner?
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Without going into
great details, this thread should put things in perspective for those
of you
who might innocently come across this name.
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Mike McDaniel
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Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 11:30
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Training Tips Desperately Needed! |
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I just shot in the World
Muzzle-Loading Championships. And did wretchedly - my
worst performance in several years.
The problem that I am encountering is nerves. The kind
of tension that leaves your hand shaking and your knees
knocking when you pick the pistol up.
I've had this problem at lesser meets, but have largely
beaten it. N-SSA Nationals and the MLAIC Pacific Zones
are no longer nerve-wracking. But the World
Championships still has my number.
Any advice? Coaching that I can get? I'm fed up with not
shooting to my potential - especially when that
potential is good enough to win medals. |
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SteveT
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Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 12:24
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"Golf is not a Game of Perfect"
by Bob Rotella. |
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Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 2:30
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I too would be interested in any
serious and helpful information/techniques that could be
shared to help with this very real problem. |
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RobStubbs
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Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 3:31
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Do some searching on that here as
it's been discussed before, however. Some suggestions -
read 'With winning in mind' Lanny Bassham. Also start
rehearsing the situations that make you nervous ahead of
times. One of the causes of anxiety is fear of the
unknown. Teach your subconscious that it is familiar and
the nerves will go. You also need to learn coping
strategies so that if nerves crop up you can control and
ideally eliminate them. Lastly you should also have a
fully mentally occupying shot routine. If your mind is
fully occupied during the entire shot sequence then you
don't have time toworry, just move on to the next shot.
Lastly don't forget to train for the nervous situations,
just like for everything else. If you don't then you
can't expect to be skilled at controlling them or
handling the situation.
Rob. |
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CR10XGuest
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 6:46
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Another book I would highly
recommend is "Fearless Golf" by Dr. Gio Valiante.
Although I found it a little "rambling" (for want of a
better word) it did provide some guidance in the areas
that you mentioned.
The mental approach proposed in the book seemed to
translate very well for the shooting sports from my
perspective.
Cecil |
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PETE S
Joined: 13 May 2004
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 9:38
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My favorite book is:
Heads-Up Baseball : Playing the Game One Pitch at a Time
ISBN: 1570280215
by Tom Hanson, Ken Ravizza
Very basic and practical, my freinds son read the entire
book during a hockey game. And it makes very good
points.
But frankly, Mike, you don't sound much like the fellow
who attended my PTO a few months ago!
I know myself, even after shooting the nationals for
several years in a row find it amazing how the heart
starts to race a bit as the "Start" command is given and
when I am about to switch from sighters to score.
Two things I have found help. One is to have well-rehearshed
and trained in relaxation techniques. Just as you train
for trigger squeeze and sight alignment, so must you
have trained to relax.
Second is to echo what Rob Stubbs suggests. Having a
mental drill for your shot process, the commands that
start you into the correct frame of mind to focus on
your technique and not anything else.
Final thought, one just has to have confidence. All this
stuff is just to get you to the point of confidence in
yourself and ability.
I heard it said that mental training in running is to
get you an extra hundredth of a second or two to win the
sprint at the big meet. At the big meet you better your
best performance.
In shooting, mental training is so you can perform to
the level of your best training. Not better than your
best training but to meet that best level. |
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Warren
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 11:42
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I believe it all comes down to
having a technique that works under the worst of
conditions, not the best.
A shot process that produces a *good* technical shot
every time. Not always a ten, but rarely outside the
nine.
Instead of this we bang our heads against the wall
trying to shoot the perfect ten every time, and as motor
skills fail when we're under pressure, the fall becomes
that much harder.
World class shooters are not immune to nerves. They
accept them, accept the hold they have on the day, and
maximize their potential with a positive trigger release
within their optimum hold time. Because they know this
will work.
But I really believe our greatest handicap is the way we
rate every non-ten as a failure. The ten becomes the
only result we're happy with, which creates a built-in
fear of failing every time we raise the pistol. Of
course, when it MATTERS MORE, this fear escalates and we
get big match nerves.
I didn't mean for this to become so philisophical.
To simplify:
1. Use a positive approach to trigger release, or
cancel. DO NOT take up first stage and create a topple
or teeter point, waiting for the sight to look good
before that last little tweak. This might work okay when
you're calm and have fine motor control, but WILL NOT
work when you're nervous.
2. A successful shot is one where you achieved a good
technical performance. Attention on sight formation,
clean release, good follow through. It won't always be a
ten. Accept this. A good clean nine is far better than a
lucky ten, since the former reinforces good technique,
the latter reinforces a bad attitude.
3. Keep your head on the firing line. NOT in the scoring
rings of your target. |
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isuguncoach
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 4:30
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Rob has a great context for
preparing yourself. Mentally practice the environment
you will be shooting, focus on your routine of loading,
shooting, cleaning, and repeat. Your scores must be
excellent enough to get you to that level of
competition, so we know it is your mental attitude that
"got you".
There is one thing that I work with my team, for lack of
a better term, I call it practicing a "positive
presence". Building the positive idea that I belong at
whatever competition I am facing. I noticed the idea of
a negative attitude with new shooters, expressed as
"What am I doing shooting against those people." I work
to build an idea of positive presence, "you belong here,
your skill at shooting sports is just a good as theirs,
go do it." Though the exact ideas are different with
each shooter, the idea of focusing on the positive idea
that you as a shooter belong in this compeition, your
scores will put you in the field. Positive attitude
about yourself is a must in any level of competitive
shooting. |
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Patrick Haynes
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Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 2:25
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First off, Rotella's books are
great. I've read "The Golfer's Mind: Play to Play Great"
and it was useful.
I would strongly recommend getting "Flow in Sports" by
Susan A. Jackson and Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi.
Essentially, they state that the problem you are
experiencing is due to a gap between your perceived
degree of the challenge presented (big, Big BIG
competition) and your perceived level of skill (ability)
to perform successfully in that venue.
If you think that the competition is unimportant or that
your skill level far outmatches your opponents, you may
be bored and uninvolved, ending up performing poorly due
to under-activation.
If you think the competition is extremely important or
that your skill level is significantly below what is
required to succeed, then you'll be nervous, jittery and
perform poorly due to over-activation.
Jackson and Csikszentmihalyi found that by being
moderately challenged (competition is important but not
overwhelming, and skill is sufficient to meet the
challenge without being overly dominant), the athlete
more easily achieves a flow state, which in turn
supports best performances.
This model explains why people do well in sighters or
practice (important but no big deal) but poor at matches
that they "really want to win".
I would suggest downplaying the level of the match's
significance and elevate your faith in your
skill/ability. Focus on performance (what you control)
versus winning (other folks are outside of your sphere
of influence). Set goals which realistically match your
skills. Practice and prepare in a manner which supports
your goals and builds credibility in your mind. (Knowing
that you could have trained better prior to your big
match is a surefire way to build doubt.)
I'd also monitor your self-talk and take notes. Find out
what is going through your mind during training and
competition. Look for patterns and make adjustments
accordingly. Are you supporting personal excellence or
just crushing yourself with negativity?
Lots of good ides out there. Key is to find what works
for you.
Best regards.
Patrick Haynes
TargetShooting Canada
http://www.targetshooting.ca |
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Elmas
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Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 4:41
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Here's my two cents worth ;
Anxiety of the kind you describe can be caused by not
really being 'in the moment' .... You are either in the
future, imagining some botch-up or catastrophe and
fearing it .. or remembering something in your past and
fearing its repetition.
A remedy would be to practice "living in the moment" ,
to concentrate on the 'here and now' ... keeping your
mind on what you are physically doing at the time...
concentrating on the sensory input of your senses in the
present moment.
When I am anxious , I tend to try and make myself
remember my past successes in similar situations... and
stop myself thinking of the future, especially stopping
myself imagining scary scenarios of failure when they
did not happen and probably wont.
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Mental training and coach
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 6:30
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training and work. |
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Mental train will not come from
Bassham. But if you want mental training knowledge then
give me a message and I will send you some. I know you
will not receive this as theeree is an illigal
consperisory to stop my positions. But I will be glad to
help you out with your mental problems.
cskinner@vzavenue.net |
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Steve Swartz
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 11:14
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He-e-e-e-ees Ba-a-a-a-a-a-aack .
. . . !
Load up the random gobbledegook generator Mr. Spock, and
prepare to engage the Nonsensicans! |
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Me
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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 2:21
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Mental training and work. |
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Mental training and
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Mental train will not come
from Bassham. But if you want mental training
knowledge then give me a message and I will send
you some. I know you will not receive this as
theeree is an illigal consperisory to stop my
positions. But I will be glad to help you out
with your mental problems.
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Looks like someone needs to sort out their own 'mental
problems' first.
Rob. |
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Elmas
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Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 3:18
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Mental training and work. |
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Mental training and
coach wrote: |
Mental train will not come
from Bassham. But if you want mental training
knowledge then give me a message and I will send
you some. I know you will not receive this as
theeree is an illigal consperisory to stop my
positions. But I will be glad to help you out
with your mental problems.
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You say , " I know you will not receive this as theeree
is an illigal consperisory to stop my positions. "
Why would someone try to stop your positions....
Who are these bad people ?
Should we all worry ... or is it just you who is singled
out ?
Elmas
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Elmas
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Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 3:20
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Steve Swartz wrote: |
He-e-e-e-ees Ba-a-a-a-a-a-aack
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Load up the random gobbledegook generator Mr.
Spock, and prepare to engage the Nonsensicans! |
Perhaps Steve here can shed some light on this
mysterious post.
Elmas
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Me
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Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 4:17
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box of frogs |
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Elmas wrote: |
Perhaps Steve here can shed
some light on this mysterious post.
Elmas
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I think a certain Chet may have popped back in, after
being let out one presumes. He may have sampling some of
those elicit substances discussed on another thread.
Don't worry, I think he's only allowed out when there's
a full moon ;-) |
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Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 5:17
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full moon? how about once in a
blue moon?
roughly once every 2 and a half years btw. next one
coming up in june 2007 look out for it ;) |
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Steve Swartz
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Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 7:42
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To the Newbies:
Once upon a time, in the land called Target Talk, lived
a man who sought to be thought of as a great wizard.
Having never been a great wizard; nor even being on very
freindly terms any moderately successful wizards, this
man figured, "Hey! If only I can learn some technical
sounding jargon, and then bash other wizards at every
opportunity (never imaprting true knowledge of any sort,
just uncorking a stream of random babble), I should
develop a reputation among the acolytes (who don't
really know any better, but wish to do well and try
really hard) as a great wizard!
And so Chet the Skinner launched his quest. Things went
well for while- until the Pure of Heart Seeking hte True
Knowledge bagan aasking pesky questions. Like "Oh Great
Chet, if [fill in the blank with any reputable coach
knowledgeable in mental management techniques] is so
full of Balderdash; what then, prithee, is the True
Knowldege of Which You Speak?"
And the Great Chet would invariably answer:
- It's too complicated to explain here, you must buy my
pamphlet!
- Ask XYZ, my Champion Shooter (who, when contacted,
would answer "Chet Who?)!
- The Id tells the SuperEgo to Wal-Mart the random panty
ponies, sniggling the penultimate grubish!
And so the cycle continued thread by thread; each
challenge going unmet by The Chet with any True
Knowledge, until in disgust the Seekers would just give
up and figure they guy was a loon. Until after a couple
of months, another Chett-ing would occur until verily,
the populace rose up in anger and smote the Fraudulent
by either a) ignoring him; or b) Having Great Sport by
continually pressing him for cogent details of His True
Way until he disappeared. For a while.
Eventually the villagers of Target Talk lost amusement
with his criticism of Real Wizards; indeed, The Chet's
rantings became so bellicose that he was Banished From
the Land of Target Talk.
However, in the dark of the night- lit only by the smoky
glimmer of a carbide lamp, the elders would tell the
children Stories of the Chet to frighten them- Be Ever
Vigilant of The Front Sight, little ones,
LEST THE CHET RETURN AND TEAR OUT YOUR SUBBCONSCIOUS!!!!!!
Steve Swartz |
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Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 9:54
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am i glad i dropped him when he
offered to help me over the net lol.
(well i still have a long way to go as far as
consistency is concerned) |
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ColinC
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 7:14
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Steve,
I must say it was always entertaining when the great
wizard was being baited. I'd say that you have cast the
bait pefectly and have also explained the suituation for
newcomers so they don't get hooked. |
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